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Hi guys i thought we needed a thread just about the experiances, recommendations and knowledge about the 1 thing that makes or breaks a good day of flying. I know there are more than just a few folks in here that would benefit from the wisdom and experiences in here. C ratings explained ma preference and why. Manufacturer anything...us new guys need this...HELP

PEACE ALWAYS
KEITH
 
Hey guys,
Ok ,so it was suggested that I participate in the knowledge base instead of just taking from it....here goes. (NOTE)all info comes from YT. Joshua bardwell, mr steele, drone camp...etc

Lipo batteries have a life span.
Once fully charged ,they should only be discharged to the voltage number on the pack.
Example : 4s= 14.8 volts when fully charged it should be 16.80 volts..so you can burn or use 2 volts out of the battery and then land.
15 volts and land,is a safe number.
Discharging 4s lipos below 14.5 volts will harm batteries.
Damage is reflected in shorter flight time,higher heat after use,swelling,(stop using). Lower punch value.

Batteries can be charged and let sit for a day or 2 at the MOST. STORING FULLY CHARGED LIPOS for longer than 2 days is a fire hazard and will deteriorate the chemical exchange of ion energy thus reducing punch and discharge rates. A battery that has 15 volts left in it after use is an ok storage voltage.

C RATING= The batteries ability to give energy to your quad.
So a 30C battery will give less energy away at one time than a 75C battery.
THE TRADE OFF= Higher c rating in general will provide more power (punch) acceleration for LESS time than a lower c rating. A lowere c rating battery will provide a little more run time. But not a lot. The average c rated battery for our hobby is about 50 c.. that's an AVERAGE.

MILLIAMPERES or ma. This is a measurement that the manufacturer puts on the battery to tell us what the capacity or how much energy the battery can store...most quad racers and freestyles are using a 1300ma to 1500ma battery .

WEIGHT= The (dead weight ) of your energy source is a real part of the quads abilities in the air. Although it might not be discernible to our hands , the weight difference between a 4s 1300ma and a 4s1800ma battery the quad's performance and agility is aware. There has to be a balance between the weight of the battery and its energy storage and discharge rate. TRADE= more cells more power less agility example 4s vs.5s the 5s has more storage ability obviously ,however its additional cell weight does not justify the additional energy.

GRAPHINE BATTERIES= Altough this technology is very new,the graphine batteries are a little lighter than the standard lipos out there. They generally cost more as well. However their discharge rates are very consistent where as lipos can be inconstant with each charge. The graphine batteries also do not heat up like regular lipos which adds to their life span.

HEAT= The more heat is generated by a batteries discharge action the more internal resistance the battery has . Internal
Resistance is generally the batteries willingness to give the energy away. MORE HEAT LESS WILLINGNESS. If a batteries after flight internal temperature rises above 125 degrees at any time it is destroying itself and WILL puff.

CHARGING= The batteries SAFE charge rate is as follows ...
EXAMPLE. 2200ma battery= 2.2amp charge rate
1800ma battery= 1.8 amp charge rate
1500ma battery= 1.5 amp charge rate
1300ma battery= 1.3 amp charge rate

MAX CHARGE RATE( NOT RECOMMENDED)
Depends on manufacturer,quality of battery.

COST= there is a correlation between the cost of a battery and its longevity. There is also a correlation between the batteries internal make up and its ability to deliver consistently what the numbers on the front of the battery says.

CONCLUSION= Check to see what the experts are flying and why. Then buy those. These guys make a very good living off of what they use to fly...and it seems that they CARE about their choices..NOT WINNING. Money stops.

As always
Peace and progress
Keith
 
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Nice work Speeder. My 2c...

I used to charge at 1C. Now I say forget it, life is too short. I charge my 3S 450mAh packs at the rated 5C and haven't had any problem yet. Fully charged in about 15min!

The capacity rating is milliamp hours (mAh) not just milliamps (mA). It means it can do the rated number of milliamps for one hour.

SAG- do not let your batteries sag below 3.2V/cell while flying. Resting voltage after a flight should not be much below 3.7V/cell.
 
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Great write-up, Keith! That was extremely helpful, I learned a lot from it. I'll bet you did, too! That'll help a lot of the newer folks long into the future! Thanks for taking the time to do that for all of us!

Jerry
 
Also, always twist your balance lead between the main battery leads when strapping your battery to your bird before your flight. This will help protect your balance lead from being cut or damaged during flight.

Jerry
 
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Another battery tip: Most chargers have a ""Lipo Storage Charge". If you know you wont be flying for a day or two but you've got charged (or discharged) packs laying around, put them on a storage charge. This will bring them to a good storage (or as Green noted "resting") voltage. Personally, I don't intermix charged and discharged batteries. I like my cell voltages between packs to be fairly close to each other before I charge/discharge them in any mode.

Jerry
 
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Good point, Jerry. I also individually do a storage charge/discharge on my packs after flying. That way I know they are all ready to be charged in parallel next time.
 
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Thank you guys!
My discharge completion voltage is higher than 15 volts .its like 15.4

Keiith
 
Thank you guys!
My discharge completion voltage is higher than 15 volts .its like 15.4

Keiith

You can safely discharge to 14.8 for sure, but there is no harm in stopping at 15+ if you want. I suppose it depends on how bad the batteries are sagging under heavy throttle at that point.
 
I just ordered 4 thunderpower 4s 80c 1300mah from Las Vegas. They are the exact batteries that r. Steele uses. They are the adrenaline series and their I'd name is "ripping balls"
True. Hard to get. I used thunderpower always for cars I don't know why I didn't correlate. Da!

Keith
 
That was one of the points that Mr Steele mentioned ...he is a very weight conscious person as well as tuning.
 
NOTE: MORE INFO!!!

HIGH VOLTAGE BATTERIES= they are a battery that offer more power , however they are on the edge of self destruction
At all times and do not represent a cost to power advantage.
Conclusion...save your money.

As always peace and progress
Keith
 
One more question. How long can you store a safe storage battery before their integrity starts to decrease? Or does it matter?
 
yes, as keith said, years. lithium type batterys have a very long shelf life. as far as cycles, every battery decreases in performance as the charge/discharge cycle number increases
 
Virtue is also correct, as well as green,
If we view lipo batteries as a chemical reaction, and the electricity coming from our chargers as the activator if you will.
The chemical reactions inside each cell is strongest when it is new....advance say 100 charge -discharge cycles and the cells chemical reaction intensity is reduced simply because we have been having a blast.
Lipo batteries minimum threshold for returning to full charge is 3.7 volts. If we allow storage or repeated energy depletion to fall below the 3.7 volt thresh hold the battery cannot sustain the chemical reaction for a safe and complete charge.

As always
Keith
 

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